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DB RoF and Super's errors - make it STOP; All I want to do is to point out Toei's mistakes in hope they'll learn something from them.
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Topic Started: Aug 20 2015, 04:29 PM (6,175 Views)
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Tinny
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Aug 31 2015, 12:54 AM
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And you talked any then as if they specifically cropped up in Super and the movies, when this happened all over Dragon Ball and dbz. Raditz didn't do anything close to what Piccolo or Roshi did before hand, hell, Yamcha has better direct feats than Raditz but Roshi said that they couldn't help aside from Piccolo, and Piccolo was considered vastly outmatched, even with Goku. It sucks sure but it's blogging new and it's certainly not a sign of things to come, otherwise none of us would be here. Either that or we're both "brainless." And frankly everyone got nerfed in terms of power levels. Maybe it's nothing new to me since I'm a superman fan that watched the DCAU (he's absurdly nerfed). Though at least the thing with Piccolo is connected to the plot profession.
And really, you could frankly level that their characters have regressed, rather than annoy their battle power. Like Vegeta in episode two, or Beerus in Super. A bigger problem than say, 150Gs.
No I'm talking about Frreza saga Freeza being stronger than cell arc Goku, or even Buu saga Goku (ignoring their fight of course), I mean when has he blown up a planet? Again this had been around since dbz.
Madhouse can keep HunterxHunter looking great consistently, and the previous series, all three, looked better in their first five episodes than Super has, especially since this was the first fight. There's no excuse for the poor animation and art.
And I'll be honest, I'm surprised you leveled the whole "brain dead fans that'll gobble up anything" at me while enjoying Super, the most controversial and least well regarded series so far. I mean I guess GT might be in the running but I remember more than a few jokes being made about how it's revenge for people not liking GT.
The basic thing it's that you're overreacting about minor stuff, and stuff that's always been there... And is still pretty minor.
Freeza vs Goku fight on Namek looked best, much better than Piccolo vs Goku or any other fight. The point is they keep on downgrading these characters with each saga even more which is why in GT Goku had to go SSJ4 to lift a building or struggled to do the same with a PIECE of the city. I'm pretty sure I've already typed about that in my 1st post. Maybe these errors are tiny to you, but for me they're big. Each person may like something for a different reason(s), focuses at different aspects and so we do too. And GT is worse than Super by a long shot; thousand of inconsistencies (+ some of which happened in Z, but here they're on much bigger scale), unfitting to DB dark climate, Goku turned into a kid, having to watch a bitchy Pan and wussy Trunks for majority of it, repetitive and slow animation, Vegeta being almost a zero, even after turning into SSJ4 he still was owned by Omega after less hits than Goku. And Super's latest episode (8) showed Vegeta's punch that looked much more impressive than any physical attack GT characters ever pulled out. I don't know much about HunterxHunter except that the older version didn't look any impressive animation-wise based on a few 1st episodes I've watched. I also don't know how often the new series come out or how intense it gets; in DB they fight for majority of the series, so it's pretty hard to always capture it all so smoothly and detailed, especially while the fights themselve are very fast-paced. Maybe Toei is just a mediocre studio indeed. And? Plenty think it's the best fight in the series. Ours a high mark. And no your point was that this stated in Super and the movies, least as I read the first post anyway. And there are better animes to showcase how big and powerful characters get, Gurren Lagaan and Kill la Kill come to mind. Dragon Ball was never good at showcasing their increased strength though feats, in any part. It says something that we have to power scale in order to get their capabilities. Seeing them increase in power was never a part of dbz, not the way you speak of. Again compare Raditz vs Goku to Piccolo vs Goku.
Okay gt sure, whatever, (though inconsistencies I never seem to find anyone say anything aside from that one thread). But Super spent half the episode with what was originally a throw away gag, and made Beerus very OOC for it. Not only that but Goku didn't even punch out the planet this time. And again, you're the one who said we would gobble up anything... While enjoying the most controversial one.
The new one looks great pretty much all the time and it gets really intense. I've yet to see them drop in quality like Super did.
They are frankly.
I hope this conversion is at least helping to show why you got the response you got.
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Sep 1 2015, 05:59 AM
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To be fair, the part where Vegeta trained in 300x gravity was filler. The only canon traning segment was when he trained in 150x as a SSj.
And now we were shown him basically conquering 150x in Base. Pretty impressive.
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Sep 1 2015, 10:18 AM
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- tin man
- Aug 31 2015, 12:54 AM
- Turbotrup
- Aug 31 2015, 12:10 AM
- tin man
- Aug 29 2015, 11:18 PM
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And you talked any then as if they specifically cropped up in Super and the movies, when this happened all over Dragon Ball and dbz. Raditz didn't do anything close to what Piccolo or Roshi did before hand, hell, Yamcha has better direct feats than Raditz but Roshi said that they couldn't help aside from Piccolo, and Piccolo was considered vastly outmatched, even with Goku. It sucks sure but it's blogging new and it's certainly not a sign of things to come, otherwise none of us would be here. Either that or we're both "brainless." And frankly everyone got nerfed in terms of power levels. Maybe it's nothing new to me since I'm a superman fan that watched the DCAU (he's absurdly nerfed). Though at least the thing with Piccolo is connected to the plot profession.
And really, you could frankly level that their characters have regressed, rather than annoy their battle power. Like Vegeta in episode two, or Beerus in Super. A bigger problem than say, 150Gs.
No I'm talking about Frreza saga Freeza being stronger than cell arc Goku, or even Buu saga Goku (ignoring their fight of course), I mean when has he blown up a planet? Again this had been around since dbz.
Madhouse can keep HunterxHunter looking great consistently, and the previous series, all three, looked better in their first five episodes than Super has, especially since this was the first fight. There's no excuse for the poor animation and art.
And I'll be honest, I'm surprised you leveled the whole "brain dead fans that'll gobble up anything" at me while enjoying Super, the most controversial and least well regarded series so far. I mean I guess GT might be in the running but I remember more than a few jokes being made about how it's revenge for people not liking GT.
The basic thing it's that you're overreacting about minor stuff, and stuff that's always been there... And is still pretty minor.
Freeza vs Goku fight on Namek looked best, much better than Piccolo vs Goku or any other fight. The point is they keep on downgrading these characters with each saga even more which is why in GT Goku had to go SSJ4 to lift a building or struggled to do the same with a PIECE of the city. I'm pretty sure I've already typed about that in my 1st post. Maybe these errors are tiny to you, but for me they're big. Each person may like something for a different reason(s), focuses at different aspects and so we do too. And GT is worse than Super by a long shot; thousand of inconsistencies (+ some of which happened in Z, but here they're on much bigger scale), unfitting to DB dark climate, Goku turned into a kid, having to watch a bitchy Pan and wussy Trunks for majority of it, repetitive and slow animation, Vegeta being almost a zero, even after turning into SSJ4 he still was owned by Omega after less hits than Goku. And Super's latest episode (8) showed Vegeta's punch that looked much more impressive than any physical attack GT characters ever pulled out. I don't know much about HunterxHunter except that the older version didn't look any impressive animation-wise based on a few 1st episodes I've watched. I also don't know how often the new series come out or how intense it gets; in DB they fight for majority of the series, so it's pretty hard to always capture it all so smoothly and detailed, especially while the fights themselve are very fast-paced. Maybe Toei is just a mediocre studio indeed.
And? Plenty think it's the best fight in the series. Ours a high mark. And no your point was that this stated in Super and the movies, least as I read the first post anyway. And there are better animes to showcase how big and powerful characters get, Gurren Lagaan and Kill la Kill come to mind. Dragon Ball was never good at showcasing their increased strength though feats, in any part. It says something that we have to power scale in order to get their capabilities. Seeing them increase in power was never a part of dbz, not the way you speak of. Again compare Raditz vs Goku to Piccolo vs Goku. Okay gt sure, whatever, (though inconsistencies I never seem to find anyone say anything aside from that one thread). But Super spent half the episode with what was originally a throw away gag, and made Beerus very OOC for it. Not only that but Goku didn't even punch out the planet this time. And again, you're the one who said we would gobble up anything... While enjoying the most controversial one. The new one looks great pretty much all the time and it gets really intense. I've yet to see them drop in quality like Super did. They are frankly. I hope this conversion is at least helping to show why you got the response you got. I meant that it started in DBZ and got even worse during the series, but whatever, too lazy to read my own comment now :P
From what I know, in GL characters (those robots or whatever they are) are simply getting bigger and bigger, so that's pretty easy to "imagine" their strength, while in DBZ characters get stronger, but you don't see their proggress physically, unless they transform, but even then it's pretty unknown for the studio and the fans by how much exactly they get more powerful and how powerful they were to begin with; Toei probably doesn't make notes or anything, that's why Buu was barely destroying stones while shooting them with Ki Blasts and SSJ3 Goku didn't show any cool feat until BoG (frankly, it's almost a miracle that he did something impressive lately).
*Fun NOTE: that's the reason why many people thought that Naruto would kill Goku without much effort - they saw how crappy the explosions are during Buu Saga and they were like: "Bro, but my n!gga Naruto would thrash that blonde with a single Rasengan" (if you watch current episodes of Naruto, it would really seem so ;P)*
Then check out YT videos about GT, there are tons of people who think that GT is a joke i.a. for inconsistency reasons. Ppl's main problem about GT is probably the rest of the things I mentioned though, plus weak plot.
They actually do what BoG was doing - showing Pilaf's gang for tons of time. Same with Beerus - he always does like he wants, he is basically spoiled because he is too powerful to have to listen to anybody, so he "plays" with his prey. Although I can agree that they especially lengthen some uninteresting moments in SUPER in order to make it as long as possible, so the Studio is able to make up story ideas on time.
Goku didn't do it this time probably because it was shown in the movie already; they change things for the ppl who saw BoG, so they won't get bored of it (and I must say, except this example, they do a pretty good job at it). And I don't have problems with this as long as the punching-through-the-planet thing is in the Manga.
I quit watching HxH because Gon is using a fishing pole as his weapon... That's beyond ridiculous to me (although I know he uses some energy attacks later on, based on J Stars game, at least). So I have no other choice than to word for it.
Ofc it's helping, but it doesn't change my own opinion at all.
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Sep 1 2015, 10:20 AM
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To be fair, the part where Vegeta trained in 300x gravity was filler. The only canon traning segment was when he trained in 150x as a SSj.
And now we were shown him basically conquering 150x in Base. Pretty impressive. If it wasn't in the manga, it proves even more that Toei ignores their own work, which is sad (in Super's manga, Vegeta wasn't shown training, so they could make him go at 300G here easily), however we could assume this "error" was made for canon purposes, but then again - in the Namek Saga alone Vegeta has become stronger than Goku at the beginning of it (when he trained at 100G), so Toriyama kind of blew it...
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